If you believe in Prayer then lets make a wager
Today in our local paper a reader’s viewpoint appeared that literally makes me ill. It was entitled “Prayer makes a difference when it comes to cancer“. The only intelligent thing about this article was that it was limited to two paragraphs.
I simply want to cry at the widespread ignorance of people like this. Sadly the comment feature has been turned off of this article, or perhaps luckily because I’m sure that any comments pointing out the stupidity of these words would be met with the slack jawed comments of the mindless believers. You see, the paper recently instituted the ability to comment on some articles in their online version but choose to turn that feature off of any article that might stir up too much emotion. Then, of course, whenever some idiot posts offensive and personal slander the whole comment section for a particular story is taken down. So I have to come here to be able to vent.
I have a wager. Let’s set up some situation where a person can depend on prayer to save them or they can depend on themselves or the efforts of others to save them. How about we each get in a car, mine has air bags and a seat belt, a technology developed by humans to save lives, and the believer gets a car with no protection other than prayer. Drive both cars into a wall at 30 mph. I wonder who will be more likely to walk away.
Maybe we could each ingest poison. Even the bible says that having faith will protect you from poison and snake bites – lets put that to the test. I, of course, get an antidote developed by my fellow human scientists while the believer has only prayer.
OR … we each have our limbs severed. I get to use prosthetics, have medical attention, and go through rehabilitation. The believer gets only to pray. How long before god grows their limbs back do you think?
Now Carl GUARANTEES the power of prayer. That’s a pretty bold statement. But we already know this clown is delusional. This is the conman game these people play. They will make bald faced lies like this claiming prayer works, but then they back down when you prove them utterly wrong.
The first reaction of denial is the whole “you can’t test god” shtick. But if you read your bible (unlike most believers) you’ll find quite a few passages describing benefits given to them by god for being faithful. Here is one :
“And they shall take up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall in no wise hurt them”
Drink some acid for me then. Chug down a few pints of turpentine or just start drinking only salt water. We’ll see how true this is right quick. Here is some others :
Matthew 17:19-20 “Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said, ‘Why could we not cast it out?’ He said to them, ‘Because of your little faith. For truly I tell you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you.”
Luke 17:5-6 “The apostles said to the Lord, ‘Increase our faith!’ The Lord replied. ‘If you had faith the size of a mustard seed, you could say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be uprooted and planted in the sea,’ and it would obey you.'”
Right. Seen any mountains move by the will of believers lately? You’d think one of them would use this divine power to etch away at the pain and anguish of humanity. Maybe spare the innocent children of starvation, disease, or other horrible things. “Nothing will be impossible for you”.
Of course the argument here is that god doesn’t produce wishes like gumballs – even though he plainly says he will. Or that the passages are being taken out of context, even when it is quite clear what is said. Or that it is metaphorically speaking – which then begs the question, who decides what is metaphorical in the bible? you can’t test god, but all these guarentees are placed throughout the bible that anyone can see does not work.
Anyone who is not self blinded can see the problems here. People accept that prayer is true, even when there is so much evidence and proof that it doesn’t work. If you just look at the statistics you’ll find that effect of prayer closely mimics that of random chance. Kinda like prayer wasn’t really working and it was all coming down to random chance. Heck, even in prayer studies we find that praying for some individuals make matters worse for them! But never has prayer ever been shown to provide any positive benefits. You can pray to god, pray to other gods, pray to your Elvis collection, pray to a rock, or not pray at all and the end results will all be the same.
The reason that believers and the bible say you cannot test god is because they know that even when there are claims made that can be tested they will fail. Their only recourse is to turn a blind eye towards those failures and just say “right then, the test failed because god doesn’t like being tested”
But back to cancer … Carl makes it sound like mankind has failed in its search for a cure. That all that money is blown and your only recourse is to mimic the rituals of our pig ignorant bronze age ancestors. They apparently had it all figured out. But that really only shows how blind and ignorant Carl is.
Statistics (released in 1997) show that cancer patients are living longer and even “beating” the disease. Information released at an AMA sponsored conference for science writers, showed that the death rate from the dreaded disease has decreased by 3 percent in the last few years. In the 1940’s only one patient in four survived on the average. By the 1960’s, that figure was up to one in three, and now has reached 50% survival.
Not only are those stricken surviving, but they are experiencing a better quality of life while under treatment. Surgery is less radical, and chemotherapy is producing fewer side effects (some of which can be treated by new medications).
No, we haven’t found a cure Carl, but humanity has made a lot of progress. A damn site better than relying on god’s answering prayer. The real ironic thing is that while mankind continues to improve itself through research, discovery, and understanding, idiots like Carl continue to attribute these breakthroughs to god, all the while saying that those breakthroughs pale to the need to rely on prayer to heal you.
Sadly there are many deluded people like Carl. Headlines shed light on the self chosen way of ignorance all the time. Unfortunately it is the innocent that suffer the irrationality of believers, as this little girl did when her parents refused to seek medical help and depended on god’s answering of their prayers. Parents Pick Prayer over Docs; Girl Dies
For all the blind Carl’s out there – go pray for yourself. Leave the innocent alone.